The State of the Church

What’s Cookin in Christianity’s U.S. Kitchen?

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Chef Barna’s State of the Church

What’s Cookin?

If you’re wondering wassup within U.S. Christianity, it’s a good idea to sample the fare George Barna cooks up every couple of years. His most recent entrée is entitled, The State of the Church: 2005.[i] The Barna Group has served the results of this same survey, using the identical methodological measuring cup over the last fifteen years. The last time I devoured the results of this dish was in 2002. At that time, the menu item was called The State of the Church 2002[ii]. (Have you noticed that the name of a dish that has demand from the clientele doesn’t change?). Chef Barna’s research, writing, films and prophetic exhortations are as eagerly awaited and talked about by the U.S. Christian community as any new recipe Wolfgang Puck or Martha Stewart come up with. Let me explain.

The Taste Test

As I unwrapped the package from the UPS driver, something was distinctly different in terms of presentation. In 2002, the survey results and attendant discussion were encased in a book, I mean, a real paperback book with a nice navy blue cover and a picture of the chef on the back. There’s more vanilla in this year’s version. The 2005 edition is served up in 8.5 x 11 format with a plain white cover and black letters. On the face of it, I thought the 2005 version might be less appetizing than 2002. Instead of judging the fare solely by presentation, I decided to take the 2002 version out of the freezer and heat it up so I could perform a taste test between it and the 2005 version. Here’s what I came up with:

Return On Investment:

In 2002 Barna wrote, “It is quite astounding that although Protestant and Catholic churches have raised  – and spent – close to one trillion dollars on domestic ministry during the past two decades, there has been no measurable increase in one of the expressed purposes of the church: to lead people to Christ and have them commit their lives to Him.”[iii]

In 2005, the Chef states, “Nothing is more numbing to the Church than the fact that it is mired in a rut of unfathomable depths. The various creative approaches attempted over the course of this decade have drawn much attention but produced little, if any, transformational impact.”[iv]

The bottom line is that the spirituality served up in the name of Christ in the U.S. is distinctly unproductive and unprofitable. Some churches have remained largely unchanged while others have changed the ambiance, the music, the lighting, added video screens, pastors, elders, and websites. Others have embraced bigger buildings with different architectural features. Some have turned to new delivery systems, serving up their products via seminars, books cd’s, dvd’s, live television and training by subscription satellite broadcasts. According to Barna, no matter what the Christian retail outlets have done to attract customers and change them by virtue of how or what they consume, there appears to be no measurable transformational effect on their behavior, after dining in these establishments over a period of time.

It’s expensive to run a business like this, particularly when what one is serving up has eternal consequences. If the “church” in the U.S. was a publicly traded company on the NASDAQ or NYSE, there would be a shareholder revolt, SEC and Congressional investigations the likes of which would dwarf the outrage we witnessed over Enron. We would be toast.

Diners don’t revolt over the appearance of the menu. They simply stop coming in because of existing management, the fare, the help, the other diners or the atmosphere. Word of mouth kills restaurants. They tell their contacts about their last supper. The friends, co-workers and acquaintances of diners avoid these places without ever having set foot there. Are you getting steamed yet?

Marketshare:

In 2005, Barna states, “The nation’s population growth has fostered an expansion in the number of people who avoid churches.”[v] The Chef estimates this figure to be 100 million customers in the U.S. A figure he says is growing by one million annually.

In 2002, Barna suggested that there are greater than 300,000 Protestant and 20,000 Catholic churches in the U.S. He contrasts this with the 50,000 post offices and 15,000 McDonald’s that serve our nation. He writes, “the church has less impact on our culture than any of those less prolific entities, despite missions that are much less significant or compelling.”[vi]

Hmmm…I guess the old “location, location, location” mantra has fallen to the wayside here. Imagine having a business with 320,000 locations in the U.S. amidst a population of over 100 million customers who have never sampled the fare, and you can’t seem to break the cycle of those folks consciously avoiding your locations. In fact, their numbers are increasing.

Again, if the church were a publicly traded company, I can assure you that the Board of Directors would be screaming for an immediate “corporate restructuring” that would likely require the immediate downsizing of the existing physical plant, sweeping changes in strategic plans, and a wholesale housecleaning of present management. Perhaps it’s time to act upon the agenda of the shareholders within the Christian franchise who agree with Barna that, “We have learned that maintaining the status quo serves neither God nor the people He loves.”[vii]

When your franchise’s performance is benchmarked against the U.S. postal service and your outfit comes out on the short-end, perhaps it’s time for a change. There is a very vocal, well-regarded cadre of authors, theologians, academicians and laypeople who now agree that: “Christianity cannot survive in anything like it’s present form.”[viii] Chef Barna remains at the forefront of this movement adorned with the same sandwich board and megaphone he has used for the past twenty-five years.

The remainder of this article will examine this necessity for change issue within the U.S. Christianity franchise by focusing on current customers, existing management, the fare, the help, the other diners and the atmosphere. The oven is now pre-heated.

Current Customers

In business, one often hears the phrase that there is no more effective form of advertising than your current, satisfied customers. The U.S. Christianity franchise has attempted to sell the truth that “if you eat here regularly, you will become Christ like.” Unfortunately, according to Chef Barna, nothing could be further from the truth in terms of actual, verifiable, behavioral outcomes.

In 2002, Chef Barna wrote, “We witness a born-again population that is indistinguishable from the rest of the nation – and has very little credibility when it comes to promoting genuine Christianity…At some point, poor products come back to haunt the producer. Welcome to the haunting time.”[ix] In 2005, the sentiments of the chef remain unchanged. He suggests that, “people sleepwalk through their religious paces, oblivious to the fact that many of their beliefs and practices dishonor God.”[x]

It seems that the aroma that oozes from the pores of the professing Christian consumer is actually repelling others rather than attracting them. Something does not pass the smell test here. Perhaps the conundrum of the Christianity franchise is captured in a quote from Princeton University’s Professor of Philosophy Emeritus Henry G. Frankfurt, in the following: “For the essence of B.S. ( abbreviation is mine ) is not that it is false but that it is phony…What is wrong with a counterfeit is not what it is like, but how it was made”[xi]

If this section has got you into a rolling boil, simmer down a little. However, don’t even think about putting this article on the back burner.  There’s no way that we can overlook the fact that the people Jesus had the least patience with were the people who said they represented God but didn’t.

It appears that we must turn our attention to the current cooks in the kitchen, or those who prepare the fare.

Existing Management:

Chef Barna’s evaluation of the cooks in the kitchen in 2005 is characterized as follows: “The Church suffers from a debilitating absence of visionary leadership.”[xii] In 2002, Barna slices and dices it up this way: “They are incapable of motivating and mobilizing people around God’s vision. They fail to direct people’s energies and resources effectively and efficiently. The Church suffers for this absence of genuine leadership.”[xiii]

Wow! I have been an executive for several FORTUNE 500 companies during my business career. If Barna’s findings were ever printed on a management performance appraisal, you would be leaving the Human Resources office with your car keys in one hand and your final check in the other.

This management issue within the U.S. Christianity franchise is one that has been baked, basted and reheated a number of times. It’s a tough issue to digest. If something is well-done, it’s difficult to tenderize it back to a more appetizing state of medium or medium rare. Perhaps the difficulty is centered in the fact that the church has morped into an institution that is focused on survival from it’s original intent as a movement that transforms people. As one author says, “institutions preserve culture, while movements create culture.”[xiv]

May I speak to the manager?

The Fare

Maybe we have been eating our own fare for so long that we still think it’s the best around, while the tastes of other diners have changed. No matter how we package what we’re selling the results are, at best, discouraging.

I guess there may be some truth to the adage that you are what you eat. As my mother always said, you must eat the right things in the correct portions on a regular basis. For those who routinely dine at the Christianity franchises in the U.S., Chef Barna’s research results suggest that it’s time to change our eating habits.

In 2002, Barna spices things up a bit with statistics on our dining habits regarding the staples of the Christian diet. In regard to prayer, he says that “most people who pray do so at least once a day; the total amount of time spent in prayer per day is less than five minutes,” most commonly a quick grace uttered before a meal and then requests for stuff we want for ourselves.[xv] Regarding church attendance, the vast majority of Christians do not attend church every week.[xvi] Less than half of us graze on God’s Word outside of a church service each week ( However, In N Out Burgers print Scripture on the bottom of their cups in California and some people might believe this is actual Bible reading outside of a church service. Thus, the figures for actual, authentic Bible reading may be inflated here.). Volunteering at church has remained relatively constant over time at around 24%. Less than one in five Christians are involved in a small group, one quarter attend Sunday school and as a group, we have “no heart or stomach” for evangelism.[xvii]

The results above indicate that consuming Christianity cafeteria style leads to an unbalanced diet and impaired spiritual health for the individual Christian, and the body of Christ in the U.S. The reputation and integrity of the entire Christian franchise has become impaired.

For some reason, I’m losing my appetite.

The Help

The serving work within the Christianity franchise in the U.S. is still primarily accomplished through the efforts of paid professionals. As one author says, “laypeople have been a theological afterthought throughout the history of the church.”[xviii] Another suggests: “The Church began with men in the upper room agonizing and today is ending with men in the supper room organizing.”[xix] Chef Barna’s assessment indicates “tens of thousands of churches are woefully out of sync with the people they most want to seek, save, serve and send.”[xx]

All the evidence suggests that the vast majority of U.S. Christians are more interested in being served than serving. As Barna wrote in 2001: “We serve others when we must, but few believers have a love of serving people; our culture has seduced us into loving to be served instead of committing ourselves to meeting the needs of others.”[xxi]

According to Chef Barna, the figures for the laity volunteering at church are relatively constant at 25% from 1991 to 2005.[xxii] In terms of our tipping the help (if that’s what it is), Barna reports that only 4% of Americans actually tithe ten percent or more of their income (although a far larger percentage say they do).

We continue to struggle with the language barrier in serving those around us. Barna writes, “Can’t you just hear a non-believer, visiting your church, struggling to make sense of your jargon-filled, bet-you-can’t-penetrate-this language?”[xxiii] Imagine going into a new restaurant and the patrons and help were all speaking a language you didn’t understand.

How do we change this distasteful recipe? According to Barna, “The impetus to change and the creative focus and force reside among the frustrated masses, not the distracted professionals.”[xxiv] Others experts agree suggesting: “The church of the future will be shaped from the bottom up rather than the top down.”[xxv]

For the foreseeable future, Barna recognizes the growth among those who “are disassociating from churches because they want more of God, not less, and feel that the local church constrains them from being whom God has called them to be.”[xxvi]

It appears people losing their appetites for dining out in our franchise.

The Other Diners

I don’t enter establishments with large motorcycles parked out front and a history of drunken fistfights among the patrons. Why? The nature of the clientele that is known to frequent a particular establishment is an important consideration for many prospective diners. People listen to and observe the lives of those who claim the name of Christ by virtue of “the day to day ideas, conversations, choices, and activities of individual believers in the workforce, the marketplace, the halls of leisure and other public forums.”[xxvii] As one author states, “Will Christians increasingly embarrass themselves by fighting with each other in public?”[xxviii] In 2002, Barna wrote: “Once we clean up our act, our lives will become a pleasing fragrance not just to the Lord but also to those around us on Earth.”[xxix]

If you say you have the best steak in town, you better have just that when people show up expecting it. We are under observation by other diners within the spiritual marketplace. As chef Barna says, “Americans are not about to patronize and institution which appears incapable of living what it preaches.”[xxx]

Throughout Barna’s career, he has been consistent in maintaining that “American Christianity has largely failed since the middle of the twentieth century because Jesus’ modern-day disciples do not act like Jesus.”[xxxi]

It’s time to reevaluate walking the talk.

The Atmosphere

The mainstream secular media has a tendency to highlight extremes. As it relates to the atmosphere within the U.S. Christian franchise, the media focuses on dismal failures and success characterized by size. In terms of success, the media would lead one to believe that the franchise is building larger venues to accommodate overall corporate growth. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Barna’s research results reveal that: “Many people believe that churches are large and growing because of the focus on the megachurches. The truth is that only about 2 percent of all Protestant churches have 1,000 or more adults attending in a typical week. Most churches are small – and getting smaller.”[xxxii] In 2005, Barna finds that “the size of the church a person attends has no correlation with their views on the Bible’s accuracy.”[xxxiii]

As far as more retail outlets are concerned, Barna said in 1998 it’s time to “reevaluate the advisability of spending the billions of dollars presently being raised for the construction of new buildings, parking lots, and other institutional monuments.”[xxxiv] Another author agrees saying, “The church compares itself to a business and becomes preoccupied with numbers and statistics. Ultimately, the work of the church becomes institutional maintenance and survival, not spreading the gospel.”[xxxv]

I get the distinct feeling from Barna’s life’s work that it is not more locations and larger walls that we require. It is more and better bridges filled with fully equipped patrons dedicated to serving a hurting world empowered solely by the love and grace they have received from Christ.

Why would you want to super-size this?

Summary:

As we have throughout the history of the United States, we are presently confronted with a tremendous opportunity captured in the question George Barna and others have posed for many years: What must be done now, to shape a better destiny? It’s time to confront the truth. As Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said, “To be honest is to confront the truth. However unpleasant and inconvenient the truth may be, I believe we must expose and face it if we are to achieve a better quality of American life.”[xxxvi]

For the Christian community in the U.S., a community that purports to have all the answers, perhaps it’s time for confession: We need help…supernatural help. Now. Instead of continuing to manage an appearance of having everything together, maybe it’s time to admit we are struggling with an insufficient answer: “One of the moral diseases we communicate to one another in society comes from huddling together in the pale light of an insufficient answer to a question we are afraid to ask.”[xxxvii] For those stakeholders in the U.S. Christianity franchise one question must be: “What’s wrong with us?”

To have the courage to ask such a question, one must humbly acknowledge the existence of an unsatisfactory answer. In the last 25 years, there has been one voice that has been consistently courageous enough to confront the question and dedicate his life’s work in relentlessly evangelizing the awareness of an inadequate answer, including immediate changes to present unproductive practices. A second question to ponder is when will we begin to take stock of the ingredients that make up the flavor of the bouillabaisse served up in the name of Christ by our franchise in the U.S. today?

Since 1982, George Barna has been a prophet eloquently advocating at every shareholder meeting of our franchise proclaiming: “Yet, the severity of the problems facing the faithful cannot be a valid excuse for delaying a sincere, wholehearted effort to overcome the obstacles to corporate righteousness.”[xxxviii] For Barna, like most prophets, maybe “the hardest part is not envisioning the end but living in the sluggish in between.”[xxxix] Thus, another question we must ponder is why don’t we hear the present day prophets of the Almighty when His leading is written all over our lives? As written by Barna in 1990, he asks: “Is it a Christian virtue to ignore God’s handwriting on the wall?”[xl] What’s your answer?

A biblical prophet has been characterized as “not one who sees into the future, as stargazers and crystal ball readers purport to do. Rather, he’s one who sees things in the present that others are blind to. And a prophet is one who warns us of what will happen in the future if we don’t mend our ways.”[xli] I am reminded of the footnotes in my Bible in Jeremiah chapter 23. Jeremiah lived most his life being mocked by people. Jeremiah was called by God to bring the people to repentance. The footnote goes on to state: “But this sad news was the truth. If they would have accepted it, they would have had to repent and turn to God. But because they did not want to do this, they rejected Jeremiah’s message. Have you ever rejected a message or made fun of it because it would require you to change your ways? Before dismissing someone who brings sad news, look carefully at your motives.”[xlii]

George Barna has been the executive chef performing the taste tests in Christianity’s U.S. kitchen for a long time now. Yes, he’s older and wiser than when he began his life’s work. There’s no indication he’s becoming weary, changing his tune or losing his voice. There are holes in the knees of his pants though. A quote from author Philip Yancey captures the essence of the results of George Barna’s work on the State of the Church in 2005 when he says, “Dependence, sorrow, repentance – a longing to change. These are the gates to God’s kingdom.”[xliii]

Perhaps it’s time for a new posture, one where we join George Barna on our knees and rise after confession and prayer to confront the reality of the inadequate answer…together.

Please pass the salt.

Notes:


[i] Barna, George and The Barna Group The State of the Church: 2005, Copyright © 2005 by George Barna and The Barna Group, 1957 Eastman Avenue, Ventura, CA 93003

[ii] Barna, George The State of the Church: 2002, Published by Issachar Resources, a division of Barna Research Group, Ltd., 5528 Everglades Street Ventura, CA 93003 Copyright © 2002 by George Barna.

[iii] Barna, George The State of the Church: 2002, Published by Issachar Resources, a division of Barna Research Group, Ltd., 5528 Everglades Street Ventura, CA 93003 Copyright © 2002 by George Barna p. 63.

[iv] Barna, George and The Barna Group The State of the Church: 2005, Copyright © 2005 by George Barna and The Barna Group, 1957 Eastman Avenue, Ventura, CA 93003 p. 51.

[v] Barna, George and The Barna Group The State of the Church: 2005, Copyright © 2005 by George Barna and The Barna Group, 1957 Eastman Avenue, Ventura, CA 93003 p. 8.

[vi] Barna, George The State of the Church: 2002, Published by Issachar Resources, a division of Barna Research Group, Ltd., 5528 Everglades Street Ventura, CA 93003 Copyright © 2002 by George Barna p.130.

[vii] Caldwell, Kirbyjon & Kallenstad, Walt with Sorensen, Paul Entrepreneurial Faith – Launching Bold Initiatives to Expand God’s Kingdom, WaterBrook Press, A Division of Random House, Inc., Copyright © 2004 by Kirbyjon Caldwell, Walt Kallenstadt and Paul Sorensen, p. 1.

[viii] Jenkins, Philip The Next Christendom, Oxford University Press, New York, New York  Copyright © 2002 by Philip Jenkins p. 9.

[ix] Barna, George The State of the Church: 2002, Published by Issachar Resources, a division of Barna Research Group, Ltd., 5528 Everglades Street Ventura, CA 93003 Copyright © 2002 by George Barna p.128.

[x] Barna, George and The Barna Group The State of the Church: 2005, Copyright © 2005 by George Barna and The Barna Group, 1957 Eastman Avenue, Ventura, CA 93003 p. 50.

[xi] Frankfurt, Harry G. On Bullshit, Princeton University Press, Princeton, NJ Copyright © 2005 by Princeton University Press, p. 47.

[xii] Barna, George and The Barna Group The State of the Church: 2005, Copyright © 2005 by George Barna and The Barna Group, 1957 Eastman Avenue, Ventura, CA 93003 p. 50.

[xiii] Barna, George The State of the Church: 2002, Published by Issachar Resources, a division of Barna Research Group, Ltd., 5528 Everglades Street Ventura, CA 93003 Copyright © 2002 by George Barna p.131.

[xiv] Marti, Gerardo – A Mosaic of Believers – Diversity and Innovation in a Multi-Ethnic Church, Indiana University Press, Bloomington, IN Copyright © 2005 by Gerardo Marti p. 86.

[xv] Barna, George The State of the Church: 2002, Published by Issachar Resources, a division of Barna Research Group, Ltd., 5528 Everglades Street Ventura, CA 93003 Copyright © 2002 by George Barna pp.26-27.

[xvi] Barna, George The State of the Church: 2002, Published by Issachar Resources, a division of Barna Research Group, Ltd., 5528 Everglades Street Ventura, CA 93003 Copyright © 2002 by George Barna p.14.

[xvii] Barna, George The State of the Church: 2002, Published by Issachar Resources, a division of Barna Research Group, Ltd., 5528 Everglades Street Ventura, CA 93003 Copyright © 2002 by George Barna p.37.

[xviii] Lakeland, Paul Liberating the Laity – In Search of an Accountable Church, The Continuum International Publishing Group, Inc. New York, NY Copyright © 2002 by Paul Lakeland, p. 184.

[xix] Ravenhill, Leonard.  Why Revival Tarries, BethanyHouse Minneapolis, Min © Copyright 1959 by Leonard Ravenhill p. 155

[xx] Barna, George The Second Coming of the Church – A Blueprint for Survival, WORD Publishing – A Division of Thomas Nelson, Inc. Copyright © 1998 by George Barna, p. 131

[xxi] Barna, George Growing New Disciples – New Strategies for Producing Genuine Followers of Christ, WaterBrook Press, Colorado Springs, CO a Division of Random House, Inc., Copyright © 2001 by George Barna p. 83.

[xxii] Barna, George and The Barna Group The State of the Church: 2005, Copyright © 2005 by George Barna and The Barna Group, 1957 Eastman Avenue, Ventura, CA 93003 p. 14.

[xxiii] Barna, George Ten Years Later – Personal Lessons From a Decade of Life, Research and Ministry, Published by Barna Research Group Ltd. Glendale, CA Copyright © 1992 by George Barna p. 145.

[xxiv] Barna, George The Second Coming of the Church – A Blueprint for Survival, WORD Publishing – A Division of Thomas Nelson, Inc. Copyright © 1998 by George Barna, p. 176.

[xxv] Gallup, George H. Jr. and Lindsay, Michael  The Gallup Guide – Reality Check for 21st Century Churches, Group Publishing, Inc. Loveland, CO Copyright © 2002 by  George H. Gallup Jr. and D. Michael Lindsay P. 17

[xxvi] Barna, George and The Barna Group The State of the Church: 2005, Copyright © 2005 by George Barna and The Barna Group, 1957 Eastman Avenue, Ventura, CA 93003 p. 53.

[xxvii] Barna, George When Leadership Becomes a Struggle, You Feel Like A Fish Out of Water – 9 Strategies to Maximize Your God-Given Leadership Potential, Integrity Publishers, A Division of Integrity Media, Inc. Brentwood, TN Copyright © 2002 by George Barna, p. xxvi.

[xxviii] Wuthnow, Robert Christianity in the 21st Century – Reflections on the Challenges Ahead, Oxford University Press, New York, NY Copyright © 1993 by Robert Wuthnow, p. 10

[xxix] Barna, George Grow Your Church From the Outside In, Regal Books – A Division of Gospel Light Ventura, CA Copyright © 2002 by George Barna, p. 160.

[xxx] Barna, George The Frog In the Kettle – What Christians Need to Know About Life in the 21st Century, Regal Books – A Division of Gospel Light, Ventura, CA 93006 Copyright © 1990 by George Barna p.137.

[xxxi] Barna, George Think Like Jesus – Make The Right Choice Every Time. Integrity Publishers, A Division of Integrity Media, Inc. Brentwood, TN Copyright © 2003 by George Barna, p. 40.

[xxxii] Barna. George & Hatch, Mark Boiling Point Regal Books, A Division of Gospel Light Ministries, Ventura, CA  Copyright (c) 2001 by George Barna and Mark Hatch p. 238

[xxxiii] Barna, George and The Barna Group The State of the Church: 2005, Copyright © 2005 by George Barna and The Barna Group, 1957 Eastman Avenue, Ventura, CA 93003 p. 34.

[xxxiv] Barna, George The Second Coming of the Church – A Blueprint for Survival, WORD Publishing – A Division of Thomas Nelson, Inc. Copyright © 1998 by George Barna, p. 178.

[xxxv] Dick, Dan R. and Burry, Evelyn M. Quest- A Journey Toward a New Kind of Church, Discipleship Resources, Nashville, TN Copyright © 1999 by Discipleship Resources P. 19.

[xxxvi] Scott-King, Coretta The Words of Martin Luther King Jr. NewMarket Press, NY, NY Copyright © 1964 by the Nobel Foundation and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. p.89

[xxxvii] Merton, Thomas No Man Is An Island, Published by Barnes & Noble, Inc. New York, New York by arrangement with Harcourt, Inc., Copyright © 1955 by The Abbey of Our Lady of Gethsemani, Copyright renewed 1983 by the Trustees of the Merton Legacy Trust, p. xiii.

[xxxviii] Barna, George and McKay, William Paul Vital Signs – Emerging Social Trends and the Future of American Christianity, Crossway Books, a Division of Good News Publishers, Westchester, Ill., Copyright © 1984 by George Barna and William Paul McKay p. 144.

[xxxix] Marsh, Charles The Beloved Community – How Faith Shapes Social Justice From the Civil Rights Movement to Today, Basic Books – A Member of the Perseus Books Group, Cambridge, MA Copyright © 2005 by Charles Marsh, p. 5.

[xl] Barna, George The Frog In the Kettle – What Christians Need to Know About Life in the 21st Century, Regal Books – A Division of Gospel Light, Ventura, CA 93006 Copyright © 1990 by George Barna p.21.

[xli] Colson, Charles in Foreword to Schaeffer, Francis He Is There And He Is Not Silent Tyndale House Publishers, Wheaton, IL © 1972 p. ix

[xlii] Footnote – Jeremiah 23:33-40 Life Application Study Bible, New International Version, Tyndale House Publishers, Inc. Wheaton, Illinois and Zondervan Publishing House Grand Rapids, Michigan Copyright © 1991 by Tyndale House Publishers, Inc. p. 1332.

[xliii] Yancey, Philip The Jesus I Never Knew, Zondervan, Grand Rapids, MI Copyright © 1991 by Philip Yancey p. 114.

3 thoughts on “The State of the Church”

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  2. Thank you so much for this excellent boiling down of George Barna’s life message, a message the Body of Christ in America needs to hear, and (in my experience) doesn’t want to hear. I wonder about such messages: how can we get such messages out to people who actually want to hear them?

  3. Kevin:

    Thanks for your comments. I am interested in whether you would be interested in reading a biography about George Barna….let me know….I may have that opportunity.

    Bill

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